Jan 06, 2008, 02:44 PM // 14:44
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Grotto Attendant
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Beyond the Forest of Doom, past the Cavern of Agony... on Kitten & Puppy Island
Guild: Soul of Melandru [sOm]
Profession: W/E
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It is possible to solo-spike.
It's just that spellcasters fail at it - spells are slow, don't hurt much and are predictable. Also, without Nightfall, you're lacking Augury of Death to get a deep wound on your target - an almost essential component of a solo-spike.
Considering you're talking about Air Magic, you might be thinking casting Lightning Hammer and Orb on a target it a spike. Basically... it isn't. It's bad pressure.
For what it's worth, Water is the 'best' line for spiking. [skill]shatterstone[/skill] + [skill]vapor blade[/skill] is just about the best you can do.
And that's still pretty weak.
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Jan 06, 2008, 02:59 PM // 14:59
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Under a bridge
Guild: Team Quitter [QQ]
Profession: Mo/
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As Alex said, almost all you can do to spike with a caster is [skill]Shatterstone[/skill][skill]Vapor Blade[/skill][skill]Augury of Death[/skill].
What people mean when they say PvP teams spike is that midline casters (Elementalists, Mesmers etc) spike assist by casting a high damage skill in support of the frontline focused on a single target.
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Jan 06, 2008, 08:57 PM // 20:57
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Just Plain Fluffy
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
Guild: Idiot Savants
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'Spiking' in PvE involves the PvE shouts "You Move Like a Dwarf!" and "Finish Him!". Any DD with those two shouts hitting in succession makes for a pretty decent spike.
I've never been in any PvE group that spiked out mobs though. You're looking at a DPS character with his own little minispike for low mobs.
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Jan 06, 2008, 09:04 PM // 21:04
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Dec 2006
Guild: Myth
Profession: E/
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duh
[skill]Lightning Surge[/skill][skill]Lightning Orb[/skill] + You Move Like a Dwarf + Finish Him
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Jan 06, 2008, 09:06 PM // 21:06
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Jungle Guide
Join Date: Jan 2007
Guild: The Elite Lords of Chaos [LoC]
Profession: R/
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Is there really a need to spike in PvE?
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Jan 06, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32
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#7
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Furnace Stoker
Join Date: Nov 2006
Profession: D/W
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Quote:
Originally Posted by batno_mercy
[skill]Lightning Surge[/skill][skill]Lightning Orb[/skill] + You Move Like a Dwarf + Finish Him
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thats not a spike
Quote:
Originally Posted by I Phoenix I
Is there really a need to spike in PvE?
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no, just high pressure.
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Jan 06, 2008, 11:35 PM // 23:35
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#8
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Forge Runner
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Character selection screen figuring what I want to play...
Guild: Purple Lingerie - :D
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Coloneh that is high pressure lol. Though it is kinda slow.
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Jan 10, 2008, 12:25 AM // 00:25
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#9
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2006
Guild: Team Asshat [Hat] leader - [GR] Alliance
Profession: Mo/
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If you're in pve and looking for amusement however, this is what I ran in FoW tonight:
[skill]Freezing Gust[/skill][skill]Ride the Lightning[/skill][skill]Lightning Touch[/skill] if not dead, /run. [skill]Energy Blast[/skill]
Monks might hate you though. Milage may vary.
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Jan 10, 2008, 12:56 AM // 00:56
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#10
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Grotto Attendant
Join Date: May 2005
Location: in the midline
Profession: E/Mo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Morningstar
If you're in pve and looking for amusement however, this is what I ran in FoW tonight:
[skill]Freezing Gust[/skill][skill]Ride the Lightning[/skill][skill]Lightning Touch[/skill] if not dead, /run. [skill]Energy Blast[/skill]
Monks might hate you though. Milage may vary.
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If I were your monk I'd not heal you and /point and /laugh when you die
That won't do enough to anything in Hard mode.
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Jan 11, 2008, 02:01 AM // 02:01
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#11
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2006
Guild: Team Asshat [Hat] leader - [GR] Alliance
Profession: Mo/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Morningstar
If you're in pve and looking for amusement however, this is what I ran in FoW tonight:
[skill]Freezing Gust[/skill][skill]Ride the Lightning[/skill][skill]Lightning Touch[/skill] if not dead, /run. [skill]Energy Blast[/skill]
Monks might hate you though. Milage may vary.
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If I were your monk I'd not heal you and /point and /laugh when you die
That won't do enough to anything in Hard mode.
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1. I did say for amusement.
2. I didn't say hard mode. NM FoW is easy as pie. Even with a crazy ass Ride the lightning into a mob build.
3. You will never be my monk, so I don't really care what you'd do. I normally run a monk, I'm well aware of the omg nature of it. So that takes me back to...
#1.
If you can't ever run a crazy or shit build just for lols on occasion, because you can, then maybe you should go play WoW.
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Jan 11, 2008, 03:26 AM // 03:26
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#12
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Frost Gate Guardian
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: victoria
Profession: E/R
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air attun
elem attun -E-
blinding flash
glyph of lesser
shell shock
lightning orb
lightning hammer
res
16air
13 e storage.
this is generally what i run. i never have energy problems just use GloE when you get low and cast hammer and orb to give yourself a quick boost. the blind is nice for support and the Shell shock helps everyone out.
humm missed the factions and proph only bit.
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Jan 11, 2008, 04:37 AM // 04:37
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#13
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Grotto Attendant
Join Date: May 2005
Location: in the midline
Profession: E/Mo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Morningstar
1. I did say for amusement.
2. I didn't say hard mode. NM FoW is easy as pie. Even with a crazy ass Ride the lightning into a mob build.
3. You will never be my monk, so I don't really care what you'd do. I normally run a monk, I'm well aware of the omg nature of it. So that takes me back to...
#1.
If you can't ever run a crazy or shit build just for lols on occasion, because you can, then maybe you should go play WoW.
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didn't mean it to be harsh, but my point still stands. Screwing other players over for shits and giggles by using something that is not very workable isn't my idea of helping improve the playerbase and community interaction.
I wouldn't play WoW because I don't plan on farming hours for tiers of armor and +1 to stats.
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Jan 11, 2008, 05:28 AM // 05:28
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#14
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2006
Guild: Team Asshat [Hat] leader - [GR] Alliance
Profession: Mo/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LifeInfusion
didn't mean it to be harsh, but my point still stands. Screwing other players over for shits and giggles by using something that is not very workable isn't my idea of helping improve the playerbase and community interaction.
I wouldn't play WoW because I don't plan on farming hours for tiers of armor and +1 to stats.
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I didn't say anything about screwing anyone over. Obviously if you ran a build like that, you'd have a responsibility to make sure you could do it and come out the other end alive if you expect to have any respect as a player. Taking down to someone else's idea just because it isn't normal or mainstream or dares to use unorthadox skills and tactics doesn't make them bad or noob, just unusual or different than the norm. Or even better, creative.
That, I would say does a lot worse to the player base and community interaction than a little Ride the Lightning, touchie touchie, running away will do. It is a game, people shouldn't be scared of what other people are going to post all the time, especially when it comes to sharing ideas.
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Jan 11, 2008, 07:19 PM // 19:19
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Desert Nomad
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instead of that Ride the Lightning junk why not use the [skill]star burst[/skill] [skill]inferno[/skill] [skill]flame djinn's haste[/skill] type instead?
that is if you just must play PBAoE ele...
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Jan 11, 2008, 07:46 PM // 19:46
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jan 2007
Guild: W/Mo-Smashing Beast; Mo-Monk Beast
Profession: E/Me
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^^that with a sin secondary...shadow step ftw!
sorry, monks. we make your lives so much easier >.<
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Jan 11, 2008, 09:11 PM // 21:11
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2006
Guild: Team Asshat [Hat] leader - [GR] Alliance
Profession: Mo/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zling
instead of that Ride the Lightning junk why not use the [skill]star burst[/skill] [skill]inferno[/skill] [skill]flame djinn's haste[/skill] type instead?
that is if you just must play PBAoE ele...
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Because walking over to fry someone wouldn't have tickled me as much as teleporting over and zapping them.
My point was, is you don't have play anything. Try and have some fun.
@hurdlebeast
I thought about mentioning that you could use Ride the Lightning and a shadowstep to keep from getting mauled too badly, but since I only named 3 skills, leaving 5 open spots for whatever, I didn't want be rude and state the obvious to what must be extremely experienced players. I mean, of course they thought of that, right?
Though I guess some people didn't catch the obvious...
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Jan 11, 2008, 09:39 PM // 21:39
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: Jan 2007
Guild: W/Mo-Smashing Beast; Mo-Monk Beast
Profession: E/Me
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lol i meant using shadow steps with zlings build to make it more interesting/suicidal
Edit: and i'm kinda a noob when i comes to ele's, hammer warrior is my main guy
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Jan 11, 2008, 10:04 PM // 22:04
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#19
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Just Plain Fluffy
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Berkeley, CA
Guild: Idiot Savants
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Quote:
Originally Posted by I Phoenix I
Is there really a need to spike in PvE?
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You don't need to, but having a strong spike in a build in PvE can be pretty useful actually; the threat of a mob goes way down once even a single enemy is dead, especially if you can choose that foe. But no one countdown spikes in PvE, it's all loosely focused damage on a called target.
An Elementalist DD paired with "You Move Like a Dwarf!" and "Finish Him!" in quick succession makes for a pretty significant spike, that with a bit of assisted damage can knock out a foe of your choice pretty often. The ability of a Mind Blast Ele to pay for that regularly is one of the big reasons I won't bother with Searing Flames anymore.
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Jan 12, 2008, 04:06 AM // 04:06
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#20
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Krytan Explorer
Join Date: May 2006
Guild: Team Asshat [Hat] leader - [GR] Alliance
Profession: Mo/
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hurdlebeast
lol i meant using shadow steps with zlings build to make it more interesting/suicidal
Edit: and i'm kinda a noob when i comes to ele's, hammer warrior is my main guy
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Hehe, that's fine, my snark wasn't (intentionally anyway) being thrown in your direction.
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